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pvdb
Re: Viral Facts

Eat fermented food (i.e. Kimchi)


Seems to have worked very well in South Korea! ;-)

Mar 31, 2020 11:43:19 AM       
dombs
Re: Viral Facts

"Are you a naturopathic "doctor"? All of those suggestions are gibberish and will only lighten the wallet " (nisser, Canada)

The medical professionals in Switzerland agree with most of Werner's contributions. He is a medical doctor, and shall be taken seriously, not be made fun of. - Also, if you follow only part of proposals, if will be beneficial.

* May I add, when taking vitamin products, specially vit. A and D, a massive over-dosage should be avoided.

PS: The guy who proposed originally #5, Linus Pauling, had two Nobel Prices, and to my knowledge was not a "naturopathic".

dombs

Mar 31, 2020 5:10:30 PM       
nisser
Re: Viral Facts

I'm also a physician and not a single one of those bullet points has been shown to fight off SARS-cov2. (S)he is welcome to provide evidence to their point though.

Mar 31, 2020 8:36:40 PM       
piard2
Re: Viral Facts

I'm also a physician and not a single one of those bullet points has been shown to fight off SARS-cov2. (S)he is welcome to provide evidence to their point though.

Werner gives preventive advice to support the immune system, not a cure. Physicians come in all shapes and colors. Some of them are oriented to prevention and knowledgeable in nutrition, other ones have been brainwashed by an education sponsored by big pharma and try to sell medicine as an exact science. And there's a continuous spectrum in between. Werner's bullet points of preventive measures is interesting and most points are supported by nutrition experts (even if his Vit C dosis seems a bit high, Linus Pauling's claims have been questionned on this point. Anyway it can't hurt and it's cheap).

Apr 1, 2020 5:42:14 AM       
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Jrinne
Re: Viral Facts

Nisser,

This is a serious question unrelated to how you think about: "Eat fermented food (i.e. Kimchi)."

I wonder what you think about hydroxychloroquine.

As an ophthalmologist I see a lot of patients on this medication (for arthritis and Lupus). It is a very safe medication. I see these patients because they (rarely) develop eye problems after 6 or more years of use. The American Academy of Ophthalmology has said that eye examinations are not required for the shorter periods of use for COVID-19. So not even any rare eye problems to worry about.

There have been some controlled studies in France where viral shedding was reduced.

There is a proposed mechanism: it reduces the expression of the ACE receptor. Any relation to its anti-malarial properties may be coincidental. The COVID-19 virus and Plasmodium falciparum—the most common cause of malaria which is is a unicellular protozoan parasite and not a virus—are very different pathogens.

The virus uses the ACE-2 receptor to enter the cell as you probably already know.

It seems that a pretty good controlled study with thousands of patients could be completed in New York in about 2 weeks (the usually period of the infection).

I live in the US but I do not understand why we do not have an answer on this medication already.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thank you in advance.

Best,

Jim

From time to time you will encounter Luddites, who are beyond redemption.
--de Prado, Marcos López on the topic of machine learning for financial applications

Apr 1, 2020 6:36:41 AM       
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nisser
Re: Viral Facts

I'm also a physician and not a single one of those bullet points has been shown to fight off SARS-cov2. (S)he is welcome to provide evidence to their point though.

Werner gives preventive advice to support the immune system, not a cure. Physicians come in all shapes and colors. Some of them are oriented to prevention and knowledgeable in nutrition, other ones have been brainwashed by an education sponsored by big pharma and try to sell medicine as an exact science. And there's a continuous spectrum in between. Werner's bullet points of preventive measures is interesting and most points are supported by nutrition experts (even if his Vit C dosis seems a bit high, Linus Pauling's claims have been questionned on this point. Anyway it can't hurt and it's cheap).


Furthermore, none of those claims have any substantial proof of doing that. Medicine is based on evidence, not hearsay and tales.

Which leads me nicely into Jrinne's question.

There's definitely less enthusiasm in using hydroxychloroquine from our ID colleagues now than early on in the crisis due to very little evidence that it works. I think hey still look at it on a case-by-case basis, particularly if a patient is doing poorly but it is not the standard.
As you know it has quite a number of drug interactions and it can mess with the QT interval. It also seems that a large proportion of COVID patients develop secondary cardiomyopathy so you really want to stay away from throwing more into the mix.
I think here's a couple of RCTs underway right now so that'll provide some guidance

My own hunch is that it probably has no bearing on mortality, which is really the only thing that matters right now.

Apr 1, 2020 6:12:25 PM       
Jrinne
Re: Viral Facts

Thank you Nisser.

Jim

From time to time you will encounter Luddites, who are beyond redemption.
--de Prado, Marcos López on the topic of machine learning for financial applications

Apr 1, 2020 6:20:33 PM       
InspectorSector
Re: Viral Facts

none of those claims have any substantial proof of doing that. Medicine is based on evidence, not hearsay and tales.

There is a big difference between North American medicine and medicine from some other parts of the world. The advice given here is to boost the immune system which is considered a factor in survival. Keep in mind that some view NA medicine as being in the pocket of big pharma. What they are doing is bottling what is readily available in nature and charging a lot of money. I have seen this with my own eyes. My stepson had psoriasis all over his face and body. He had to wait 6 months to see a skin specialist only to be prescribed a steroidal cream which did nothing. My wife, who comes from Russia, then took a specific weed from our backyard, boiled it and put it in her son's bathwater. The psoriasis started to fade in three treatments and was gone in ten. If big pharma can't patent a treatment it will never be prescribed.

Just recently my dog who was having neck pain. The vet wanted to do an x-ray, MRI and in the end, perform surgery. Instead, I found a pet chiropractor who corrected my dog's problem in 15 minutes for a fraction of the cost of what the medical system proposed as the proper way to treat the problem.

I believe that there are a lot of issues with the NA medical system primarily stemming from profits given priority over the patient.

As for Covid-19, I am told that there is one doctor in the south of France that is using hydroxychloroquine exclusively. Apparently treatment has to start early and used in conjunction with antibiotics. He apparently has treated 1524 patients with one death. https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/

I believe the death was treatment without the anti-biotics but I could be wrong.

Here is a video that warns against hydroxychloroquine with zinc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcQMCB2li8&feature=youtu.be

I'm not sure if the doc in France is using zinc or some other form of antibiotic.... Someone with medical experience would have to chime in here.

Apr 1, 2020 7:52:54 PM       
nisser
Re: Viral Facts

This is why we have trials. He's welcome to publish his results, get his work critically appraised by his peers and go from there. A website is not the right avenue.

Apr 1, 2020 9:54:21 PM       
Sterling
Re: Viral Facts


Here is a video that warns against hydroxychloroquine with zinc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcQMCB2li8&feature=youtu.be


Interesting video.

I remember reading somewhere that there was a contraindication with using chloroquine with azithromycin but then there were also studies using both for malaria. Going by your video it seems that conflict was not resolved. I've heard that azithromycin aside from being an antibiotic also has antiviral properties so its ability to treat bacterial pneumonia might not be all the benefit it gives. Chloroquine has both antiviral and immunological properties which explain its use against viral malaria on one hand and also rheumatoid arthritis on the other and why it might help in suppressing both coronavirus and a cytokine storm it might provoke.

Maybe I missed it but did Dr. Roberts say zinc was also contraindicated with chloroquine? Zinc supposedly was able to inhibit reproduction of the original SARS virus and maybe that's why some doctors include it in a regimen aside from being one of the basic minerals believed to boost the immune system.

His point on FDA approval for chloroquine use for coronavirus is moot at this point. The FDA gave its approval.

Apr 1, 2020 10:46:07 PM       
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